He was quite sensitive both on his maxillary incisors and his first premolars. He had some gingivitis around one of the incisors as well. So we shot some rads.
And OMG you guys. This poor pony has damaged the roots of his teeth and the bone around the teeth with his bit gnashing habit. His dentist said it looked like he has done this his whole life, which tracks with what his old owner told me. This led to the roots of those teeth ending up in sort of a corkscrew shape, which is most likely going to interfere with their eruption.
Then the ongoing "bit clanking" (seems to be the somewhat technical term for that) has led to the bone around those teeth being sclerotic on both sides and holding some fluid on the right side.
The incisors are actually kind of interesting and less scary. Mostly less scary because who really needs incisors AND it's not a problem I've been part of perpetuating, so I don't feel guilty about them. He has congenital enamel hypoplasia (I believe I've gotten that right as to the hypo part of the tooth) of his two front teeth. So he'll be predisposed to EOTRH. Which is "easy" to fix with extractions.
But back to his premolars... Fortunately his dentist also rides and noted my spiraling when I said "well I'll just quit competing and never put a bit in his mouth again". She reasonably asked what bit he was going in and then made a few suggestions. I did talk to her about my brief Winderen trial where he hung like he has never hung before, and I ended up with sore hands after a 30 minute trial ride. She said if there was no tongue relief then he likely HATED having his tongue squished and reacted by laying on it. Makes sense. I did wish I had ordered the ported version to try then rather than the straight bar. And I'm not ruling out circling back to that in the future since the material would likely be much more friendly for him to gnaw on. However, the fact that he definitely did manage to gnaw on it means that even the tongue relief version would likely allow him to continue to chew on it and chewing on a firm rubber material is better but probably still not good. She also suggested that whatever bit we try I put on a chin strap to limit the mobility of the bit in the back/up direction.
| Current bit - that nice soft loose ring french link, WAYYYYY too much mobility for him to grab and pull back with his tongue |
| Myler comfort snaffle with a low port that she suggested |
The day after his dental we did our canter sets in his rope hackamore. It seemed like the best move regardless since his mouth was probably a bit sore from all the work.
Turns out that he goes MUCH faster without a bit. He was a certified GOOD BOY for the whole thing and could've truly been a whole porpoise or more and I wouldn't have been able to do much, but he was very good. This go round our canter sets were at 500 mpm, 470 mpm, and 460 mpm. They would've averaged faster, but I was making him trot and pick up the right lead every time he did a flying change to the left. I was having some trouble controlling his shoulders and that led to a lot of right to left flying changes since he prefers to really gallop on his left lead.
The next day I picked up two Mylers to try from a friend.
| More likely candidate |
And then I put in the more likely to work Myler (which I believe is an MB04 loose ring) and then fashioned a chin strap from a piece of baling twine.
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| Two bit guards since it is a 5.5" and he needs a 5" |
My initial impression was pretty good. He immediately tried to start clanking when it was in. When the bit first enters his mouth is always the worst time. Then he twisted his head around some, trying desperately to clank it. Once we got moving he stopped screwing with it as much, but I could occasionally tell he was playing with it in his mouth. His dentist said he probably clanks excessively when the bit first goes in to numb the area basically.
I had planned on just doing a no contact trail ride to let him get used to it and not trigger any screwing with it when I picked up the contact. But he had other plans and was too spooky and up to let us do that. So we trotted half our normal walk loop with light contact. I worked in the ring some when we got home. He was immediately much steadier in the contact than he has ever been. I could hear him doing something with the bit, but it wasn't making the same metal/tooth clanking sound he makes with other bits.
The second ride he was busier in his mouth in the ring and the lovely, steady contact wasn't quite as good. We'll keep trying it to see how it pans out though, including jumping in it. I also think that a proper width Myler would have a better shot too since less bit width means less overall flexibility to yank the bit back. There are a number of stores that have bit trial programs, which means that early next week I'll probably be ordering a few to try.






Oh gosh, what a tough situation! I really hope you find what works for him. I went through a long period of time where Connor would get his tongue over the bit, and I learned a lottttt about what worked and didn't work for his mouth shape and habits as we went through the long, slow process of correcting it. What I learned really surprised me and challenged some long-held assumptions I had about bitting. We did correct it, it went away completely, but it was SO slow, I would have missed the signs that we were on the right track if I wasn't looking for it. I know this can be demoralizing, but it sounds like you're on the right track already.
ReplyDeleteIt is definitely demoralizing, ever move he makes with his mouth with the myler in has me twitching. It also is making it clear how important it is to address such things as early as possible.
DeleteI hope that new bit works well for him, one of the horses my sister rode was a ottb and he had a french link snaffle and he would clank it around like crazy every time it was in his mouth. I think my trainer eventually got fed up with all the clanking and got him a "Acavallo Sensitive bit" and he loved that bit and it helped him a lot, I'm not sure all the details because I wasn't riding him, but I do know he has a bunch a missing teeth from before my barn got him. not sure if this would be helpful at all but thought I would share in case it was.
ReplyDeleteI had come across those before but just pulled them up again. Relatively speaking they're not bad price wise, so I just ordered one to try. Thanks!!
DeleteDoozy is currently going in a very similar slightly ported myler comfort snaffle and I’m honestly pretty happy with it. She chewed thru a nathe already and is too offended by a jangling snaffle, so this seems to be a happy medium for her. Fingers crossed it helps BB be comfortable in his mouth too
ReplyDeleteInteresting!! Goggles actually went in a baucher version, but of course I'd already sold that.
DeleteThis is so timely - we are currently having "mouth" issues and it's taken us quite a bit of time to figure out that's what it was with Dalton. We're currently bitless (which with the temp drops and lack of turn out because of rain makes my heart leap out of my chest), but I'm hoping we can get some good feedback from the vet (again) to tell what is going on
ReplyDeleteFingers crossed for you getting some answers!
DeleteI feel some of your pain - the last two horses were super fussy about what bit went in their mouth. It was very expensive to find the ones that they ended up liking. Thankfully, the new kid has so far been happy in the first bit I tried for him. Fingers crossed it stays that way!
ReplyDeleteSomething that I read in my bit research (I think on the UK Bit Bank website) was that some horses need their bits changed every 3 rides - their mouth gets irritated by the bit, so in changing to a different bit it gives that spot in the mouth a chance to heal. Or something like that. You would have a few different bridles/bits in rotation through your rides. Don't know if that would help your situation, but it might be something to keep in the back of your mind!
Oh that's really interesting, I will definitely keep that in mind. And would make sense as sensitive as his skin is that there would be irritation from the bit.
DeleteFor goodness' sake, BB!!! Poor you and poor him! Sounds like you're well on the way to finding a solution for him. I suppose a Nathe would still be too hard in terms of the rubber? (Also, you couldn't pay me to gallop across country in one! Arwen went in one for a little while and we nearly fetched up in the judge's lap on our final centrelines lol)
ReplyDeleteI tried a winderen that was pretty similar in shape to the nathe and he did still manage to gnaw it and was so heavy in the contact. But that material is still on my list as a hail Mary can't keep him from chewing on anything so give him the softest thing possible to chew.
DeleteHoooooly crap! I can't believe how much that impacted the ROOTS of his teeth! The chin strap is such an interesting idea to try. Fingers crossed this bit helps him in the long run.
ReplyDeleteI've switched to a much classier spur strap for the chin strap from the baling twine LOL. But bombers does make a nylon chin strap to serve the same purpose.
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